Richard Lankes: I’m going to put up slides now. We’ll do a short introduction in about 12 minutes, then I’ll open it up to the floor and monitor this discussion as well.
Peggy OKane MSL: Worked out well for us
cinzia iossa: for me too
Kimberly Silk: Kim is here 🙂
Richard Lankes 2: howdy!
Raymond Maxwell: Hello, all!
Wendy Newman: I can see and hear!
KathyDempsey: Hi, glad to be listening from home!
Kimberly Silk: Hooray!!
Kimberly Silk: hee hee!
Anthony Molaro: It would be great if stories (examples from the field) were interlaced throughout the text would be awesome
Kimberly Silk: Love love love Expect More. I give copies to chairs of library boards.
KathyDempsey: People who try to keep libraries in boxes — be they library folks or the public — Grrrrr.
Wendy Newman: So right, Kim and Kathy!
Kimberly Silk: wha?????
KathyDempsey: cataloging & organizing 🙁
Peggy OKane MSL: Can’t hear
Kimberly Silk: People at the microphone need to speak up, please
Peggy OKane MSL: can the speakers at the microphone be laouder and can they introduce themselves please?
KathyDempsey: I think the core of the “proof” problem is that librarians don’t know how to measure, then articulate, their value — esp in terms of #s.
Wendy Newman: Yes – They also need more than that – they need to be able to articulate this value within key strategic relationships with decision-makers that are characterized by credibility and trust.
Kimberly Silk: It’s all about identifying your stakeholders (students, faculty, researchers, the public, whoever), then determining what they value, then measuring activity to demonstrate value.
KathyDempsey: Right, Wendy– to articulate value in different terminology / styles that various audiences will understand. (chief among them, key decisionmakers)
KathyDempsey: Totally, Kim — but most lib leaders don’t know how.
Kimberly Silk: Kathy – we, more than anyone, are capable of learning how to do this!!
Wendy Newman: YES!
KathyDempsey: I know! Hence my years of frustration! ;->
Kimberly Silk: It’s a long road, agreed.
Kimberly Silk: 🙂
Kimberly Silk: Kathy – is one solution to teach how to measure impact in our grad programs? MBAs learn these skills – we can certainly teach them in LIS
KathyDempsey: YES!
Wendy Newman: Very few acadenics appear to be interested in this.
KathyDempsey: Last year I wrote a book chapter about how marketing courses should be a core in LIS curric. Sadly the book was cancelled. Looking to place elsewhere now. I think I made a pretty good case for it.
Kimberly Silk: Wendy – I agree. Which is why practitioners are so important. Adjuncts can provide a balance to the theory
Kimberly Silk: Kathy, I’m going to look for you on LinkedIn so we can connect.
KathyDempsey: Kim I was just gonna do the same!
Kimberly Silk: what if we put together a compendium of the unofficial MLS??
Wendy Newman: Kathy: so right re neded for marketing course.
Raymond Maxwell: had a great course in marketing for information centers at CUA. Would love to contribute to that chapter.
Kimberly Silk: Dave self-published Expect More, we could do the same. And maybe paper is old-school – maybe it’s online curriculum via podcasts, etc
KathyDempsey: Raymond — yay! Kim — yes. Papers, schmapers. I think much of the “old guard” is beyond this. Let’s propose in a way that newer libs want to learn.
Wendy Newman: Kathy: right – go straight past the gatekeepers.
Kimberly Silk: Raymond – I will connect to you via LinkedIn as well. I also know Wendy’s wonderful Advocacy MOOC is crucial as well
Raymond Maxwell: another key course for LIS curriculums is information architecture. But the name scares folks away. Should be mandatory imho.
Wendy Newman: Raymond: Agree!
Wendy Newman: Possible to get Dave’s attention re inability to hear the conversation at Midwinter?
Kimberly Silk: Wendy – I think he’s occupied moderating the in-person discussion. Meanwhile, we’re starting a revolution over here!!!!!
Kimberly Silk: DAVE!!!!!
Kimberly Silk: Fortunately, after today, Dave will have material from the in-person and online sessions, and will be able to make use of both
Peggy OKane MSL: I tweeted a couple of people I know are in the room to tell Dave
KathyDempsey: Wendy, no wonder your name was familiar. I signed up for your MOOC last week!
Raymond Maxwell: Let this revolution continue! A Luta continua, as Freire would say…
Kimberly Silk: Wendy’s MOOC is AMAZING. Hightly highly recommended
Wendy Newman: Welcoem aboard, Kathy! Wonderful to have you join us!
Kimberly Silk: I’d like to get buy-in from some kind of organization – ALA? Syracuse? UToronto? so that our unofficial MLS curriculum could get traction, and validity — but maybe that’s too complicated.
Raymond Maxwell: Wendy: is this the MOOC from Totonto?
Peggy OKane MSL: I stepped away did we lose all sound or is it my problem?
Kimberly Silk: sound is ok here
Wendy Newman: yes. Library Advocacy Unshushed. Ofered on edX platform, starting today!
Kimberly Silk: though we cannot hear the speakers
Raymond Maxwell: On it!
Kimberly Silk: The MOOC is hosted via EdX, but available internationally
Wendy Newman: Raymond: https://www.edx.org/course/library-advocacy-unshushed-university-torontox-la101x#.VKbxhnsa23N
KathyDempsey: Kim, getting buy-in from orgs is part of the problem, I think. It just moves sooooo slow… and is not “revolutionary.” But let’s talk more once this is over…
Kimberly Silk: Kathy – agreed.
Wendy Newman: yes – organizations are too slow. Need another route.
Wendy Newman: belief that librarians are surrogates for their communities is also part of the problem – re Dave’s current comment.
Kimberly Silk: Maybe it goes the other way — We create the “real world” curriculum, and it becomes so popular and necessary that we take over ALA….. 🙂
Wendy Newman: But that’s an organization
Wendy Newman: 🙂
KathyDempsey: Kim: Mwa ha ha ha!! *rubs hand together*
Kimberly Silk: Kathy – last summer, in response to the lack of research available to practitioners, I created this: http://libraryresearchnetwork.org/
Wendy Newman: Essential response to an isue of growing urgency and importance.
KathyDempsey: Kim: bookmarked
Raymond Maxwell: on a different subject, I got a lot of utility from The Art of the New Librarianship as a resource for papers in various LIS classes.
Kimberly Silk: cool
cinzia iossa: it is wonderful to listen that we need communication skills as normally in my library that’s not exactley approved : )
Wendy Newman: Yes – I use it all the time; it crosses so many boundaries.
Wendy Newman: Cinzia – we can all relate to that problem!
cinzia iossa: I need how to improve my communication skills in order to better match the need of my community (an istituional one)
KathyDempsey: cinzia — too common! trust me, marketing communication is essential.
KathyDempsey: for anyone interested in my website: www.LibrariesAreEssential.com
Wendy Newman: Kathy! It is a great site.
Kimberly Silk: bookmarked 🙂
KathyDempsey: 🙂
KathyDempsey: Well this was the best accidental conversation I’ve had a in while. Thanks all! We’ll talk more…
Kimberly Silk: excellent
Wendy Newman: Kathy, I want to add that I use your “accidental” book in my advocacy course at U of t.
KathyDempsey: Wow, great to hear, Wendy! Made my day.
Wendy Newman: Well, we’ve had our own cadre creation here!
Kimberly Silk: I’m looking for: The Art of the New Librarianship — is it a book?
Wendy Newman: I thought he meant Atlas.
Kimberly Silk: Who’s going to tell Dave we’ve created a parallel radical conversation here??
KathyDempsey: You are, Kim. ;-> And thanks, David — you rock as always!
Wendy Newman: Kim: is this also recorded?
Kimberly Silk: yes, we’re being recorded
Raymond Maxwell: my latest project is trying to tie library instruction to critical/radical pedagogy. My futile attempts are documented here: https://raymmaxx.wordpress.com/
Wendy Newman: Raymond: pedagogy cam up as a seriosu concern at the mid-January meeting at SImmons: envisioning our Infomration Future and how to Educate for it.
Kimberly Silk: Thanks, Raymond – will take a look
Wendy Newman: Raymond: http://gslis.simmons.edu/blogs/ourinformationfuture/
Wendy Newman: Will look at your site, too – was unaware of it. thank you!
Raymond Maxwell: thanks for all the links. bookmarking like crazy here in the mountains!
Wendy Newman: Really enjoyed this conversation, colleagues!
Kimberly Silk: This has been great.
Wendy Newman: Just thinking of the closing comment of Josh Hanagarne (World’s Strongest Librarian) at last year’s Computers in Libraries : what a great thing we do.
Raymond Maxwell: the chat made it all worthwhile. Thanks for being so welcoming!
Kimberly Silk: We have the best jobs in the world, no question
Wendy Newman: Lunch time? Wish we could just all go to the bar together!
Kimberly Silk: no kidding.
Kimberly Silk: Wendy, even us Torontonians are snowed in
Wendy Newman: Totally socked in here in Hamilton. Everything is closed.
Kimberly Silk: I know. I wish the TDSB had closed. But no……
cinzia iossa: thank you all from Rome, waiting for snow
Kimberly Silk: gosh I miss Rome.
Wendy Newman: Hello in Rome, Cinzia. I LOVE that city!
Kimberly Silk: Dave, are you there?
Wendy Newman: I think the next event is being set up in the same room!
Kimberly Silk: yep. I’m sure Dave will pick up his laptap and start carrying us away soon 🙂
Wendy Newman: So I’ll wait a few more minutes to see if he wants to chat.
Kimberly Silk: I’m going to take a copy of this chat, just in case
Wendy Newman: Thanks.
Kimberly Silk: ok, got it all.
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